There are at least two significant distinctions between Emergent and Acts 29 – beside doctrinal issues.
The first is that Acts 29 (as I understand it) has a top-down orientation. That is fine for some circumstances, but it is not emergent. By definition, it is the opposite of emergent.
The second difference is that groups like Emergent Village are self-selecting membership. If someone says that they are a part of it … they get to be. Acts 29 is a denominational model. If you don’t meet their criteria, then you are out.
Thanks for the interesting read. I had thought about some of this stuff before but it was interesting to see your take on it.
Read the Article at HuffingtonPost
March 3, 2012 at 3:52 am
At the outset of my reply I want to posit that I am a postulant for Holy Orders (i.e. Priesthood) in the Charismatic Episcopal Church and have never attended an Acts 29 church (I’m also a Libertarian…).
I read Mr. Piatt’s article and I am somewhat confused about the use of the word “Deception,” which is a rather strong word. The use, at least to me, connotes deception on the part of Pastor Driscoll and Acts 29 (think of all the tragic cases of deception involving sexual misconduct involving clergy in the past 30 years). However, Mr. Piatt’s observations and statements, drawn from what appears to be a cursory glance of a website, imply that Mr. Driscoll and Acts 29 are very forthcoming with their beliefs and/or doctrinal views (I went to the website and found everything clear. I found no mention of anything “Emergent” or the “Emergent Village,” i.e. they don’t claim to be part of anything “Emergent”).
I would caution Mr. Piatt to scale back to the use of language that does little for the unity of an already terribly fractured image, e.g. “I’m all for congregational and denominational change. But when it’s the same old white guys preaching largely the same old agenda, it smacks more of a desperate power grab than a genuine longing to better know and connect with the world around us.” From what I understand Mr. Driscoll was quite young when he started a church in his home and is only now reaching the status of “old white guy” and I fail to see how a man who can ministry in his living room is desperately grabbing at power.
As another example take Mr. Piatt’s his statements on gender roles “.. get behind the men (emphasis added) who are planting churches by networking with men in different denominations and networks for the kingdom good of the city. Translated: no penis, no dice.” Now, I think Mr. Piatt and I are on the same page regarding women in leadership and think he’s probably drawing the correct conclusions, but he seems rather quick to make a value judgement and criticize a group for making a value judgement he disagrees with…all from a cursory review of a website.
Wherever believers gather together in His name; there is the church. Regardless of how uncomfortable this may make me, it means that there are believers gathered who may look and sound radically different from myself; yet, to ignore that they are part of a larger picture or (worse) to criticize too quickly leaves a part of the larger picture of Christ out. I will miss out on His complete image and ultimately and failing to attend to the fullness of the presence of the resurrected Christ. Sadly, we often fail to extend grace to fellow Christians with different viewpoints and assume that they have a deficit.
March 3, 2012 at 5:37 pm
That was one of the most thoughtful and thorough responses I have received. I am impressed with you patience to make a point and your clarity – even as you disagree.
1) you are absolutely right. Piatt is swinging for the fences on the big premise of the post. I am not sure that he makes the point. I did however connect with several of his later points. That is why I commented on that aspect and not the initial.
2) The penis thing and the power thing he does get right. It may have started in a living room but it has morphed into something else now …
3) I agree with you on Christian Unity. I came out strongly on a TNT episode of Homebrewed Christianity (which I co-host) in favor in defense of seeing folk like Driscoll as one branch of the family tree. Let’s just say that not everyone agreed with me at the time 😉 I am with you on this one. I have a whole thing I do about the difference between conformity.
thanks again for your contribution. outstanding to have a conversation partner like you! -Bo